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'cause it needs to be said [Thursday, Feb. 17th, 2005|11:27 pm]
The richest girl in town.
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it really chaps my hide that someone can exploit a friend, the friend's culture--and that friend's own poetry, in fact--and get rewarded for it with national exposure.
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[User Picture]From: dobrovolets
2005-02-18 02:31 pm (UTC)
Um, care to elaborate on the background to this?
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2005-02-18 07:49 pm (UTC)

castadera is bugsinamber on LJ

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[User Picture]From: epilady
2005-02-18 02:42 pm (UTC)
Yes, I am also intrigued...backstory, puh-lease?
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[User Picture]From: epilady
2005-02-18 08:01 pm (UTC)

I love this line on his retraction page:

it's got some problems i can't quit fix

Geezus, I should bloody well say so!

Solipsistic much? Just ew to that character.
This embodies all that I hate about poetry slams, actually.
Sister Spit in particular seems to be an endless string of pampered rich white girls complaining about how hard their lives are, while interjecting laughable claims to oppression cred.

*Makes the W on my forehead*
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[User Picture]From: counterword
2005-02-18 04:51 pm (UTC)
Who did this? To you?
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[User Picture]From: claudelemonde
2005-02-18 07:32 pm (UTC)
it's pretty meta-. he can apparently write something exploitative, get told, write something about getting told, and exploit it. i can't even think of an analogy for that. i do, however, have an aluminum crutch in my trunk.
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2005-02-18 07:51 pm (UTC)
it's SO meta-. and he just doesn't get it what's wrong with it--including the lines that he virtually LIFTED out of cas' poems. i mean, if he were alluding to something easily identifiable my most of the population, like, say, shakespeare, that would be one thing. instead it smells less like allusion and more like plagiarism. and that's only ONE of the problems with that particular cow patty.
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[User Picture]From: claudelemonde
2005-02-18 07:55 pm (UTC)
looks like he retracted--

http://www.livejournal.com/users/poetryslam/476100.html

wise, i think.
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2005-02-18 08:00 pm (UTC)
yeah, i think he just got a talking-to from the subject of said poem.
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2005-02-18 08:00 pm (UTC)
again, of course. i think he's gotten the talking-to before.
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[User Picture]From: claudelemonde
2005-02-18 08:06 pm (UTC)
yeah i hope he writes another one that is all

"cas, i remember the poem i wrote
imagining our childhoods as ghetto and shit
until you told me that wasn't cool, and also
you didn't grow up in the ghetto
eating collards and drinking li'l hugs, as i imagined.
so i wrote another poem about how
i was totally wrong, and you showed me the way,
and also how i am awesome for learning
that not all black people are The Jeffersons.
now you have called me and told me not to read that poem
and i want to say that i have learned another lesson
about reading meta-meta-white-meta-ghetto-meta-black-friend-havin'
meta-white-meta-ghetto poems at fake black-white readings
where poets get oppressed, even though Def Poetry
is not affiliated with PSI.
i have learned.
Cas, i have learned."
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[User Picture]From: claudelemonde
2005-02-18 08:10 pm (UTC)
p.s. i totally grew up drinking li'l hugs
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[User Picture]From: kampachi
2005-02-18 08:14 pm (UTC)
LOL!!!!!!

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[User Picture]From: claudelemonde
2005-02-18 11:31 pm (UTC)
fuuuuck. do it to it!! i really respect that. there's way too much political pussyfooting going on these days. go cas!!!
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[User Picture]From: bugsinamber
2005-02-19 12:34 am (UTC)
Say word! ;-)
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2005-02-19 01:12 am (UTC)
methinks you should post the text of "imani" and perhaps "le pain perdu" in your journal for a little compare-and-contrast.
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[User Picture]From: counterword
2005-02-19 08:25 pm (UTC)
It's funny that he deleted the anonymous comment that said something to the effect of:

"It's all good" is a phrase people use when it's not all good, but they don't care.
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[User Picture]From: bugsinamber
2005-02-19 12:33 am (UTC)
HA!!! This is the most hilarious thing I've read all day. I was trying to stay out of it (with not even a hint of irony) but fuckit. You understand this in EXACTLY the way BPE refuses to. Why is it so fuckin' hard to understand? But no...I'M THE ASSHOLE!!! Good grief.
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[User Picture]From: claudelemonde
2005-02-22 06:29 pm (UTC)
it's all fileable under the grand scheme that also includes such hits as But I Have A Gay Friend So It's Okay and She Knows I'm Joking When I Call Her a Ho, which have varying degrees of okay-ness and are only acceptable in strictly limited contexts. or: he better check himself before he wriggedy-wreck himself.
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[User Picture]From: dobrovolets
2005-02-18 08:00 pm (UTC)
This (fear of plagiarism) is why I never post finished work, or even rough drafts, in LJ. (If I had the balls to do submissions more than once every other blue moon that might be significant... but I don't, so it ain't.)
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2005-02-18 08:03 pm (UTC)
that's the thing--the poems being referenced aren't new, weren't published on LJ. they were published in a chapbook and performed at the national poetry slam 6 years ago (when their two teams tied for first place). these two were/are friends. one just decided to exploit the friendship.
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[User Picture]From: dobrovolets
2005-02-18 08:51 pm (UTC)
I guess it was on the theory that a mass audience (i.e. HBO watchers) wouldn't be savvy enough to catch him biting.
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2005-02-18 08:52 pm (UTC)
the sad thing? he thinks his poem is a compliment.
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2005-02-22 09:11 pm (UTC)
sometimes, i think "wrong" is his middle name.
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