Huh?

What are you trying to say here?

If it is that white women at the turn of the century (who had been in chattel slavery by any conservative interpretation) weren't all that hip to the black man's struggle, okay.

AND?

I don't see what you are saying here. Other than ECS was a racist and Frederic Douglass wasn't a sexist. Neither of which should come as a surprise to anyone with a hairbreadth of Feminist and African-american theory.

If you are trying to apply ANY of these quotes to the current political struggle: Cheap, Cheap shot. And ineffectual.

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Um, dude. First of all, you need to slow your fucking roll up in here.

There's nothing cheap at all about quoting one of the leaders of the proto-feminist movement who, when it looked like black men might vote before white women, in the midst of the terrorism against black people that followed the Civil War, decided to draw a line in the sand--despite the fact that Douglass was her co-vice-president of the Equal Rights Association and continued to support women's suffrage.

Stanton and the MAJORITY of the suffrage movement opposed the passage of the 15th Amendment on the same grounds that underlie the various editorials and statements that have come from no less than Gloria Steinem, Robin Morgan, Erica Jong, Roseanne Barr, and most recently Geraldine Ferraro: a fundamental sense of entitlement on the part of white women to walk through that "celestial gate" and into the White House before "Sambo."

If you DON'T see that, you're clearly not as up on your history as you think you are, much less watching the way the Clinton campaign is playing the game at this very moment.

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I'm with you on this one.

I'd been making an effort NOT to go rereading Stanton's screeds on Sambo and the low Africans and what white women-deserved because I was trying not to think that even before white American first-wavers were in the house, white American women weren't looking for equality for all but equality with white men.

But I'm glad you did find it, because it's still worth thinking about and I found it cogent and relevant.

Otherwise known as, Go Big Red.

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I stand corrected. I was aware of Ferraro and Jong's shithead statement but the rest of your quotes up there are pretty chilling. Being pale and penised I was just baffled by the quotes of a suffragist as having validity-I lacked the requisite context, see?

Sorry to come off as a prick.

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"Being pale and penised I was just baffled by the quotes of a suffragist as having validity"

in terms of the campaign that is.

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Your lack of context has little to do with your race or gender.

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True enough. It was just plain ignorance. And me letting my ass do my talking for me. Once again, I apologize profoundly.

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No worries. We're cool.

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Solid. Thanks Lauren.

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*killfiles*

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Please don't shoot.

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Groveling doesn't become anyone, dude. Thinking as opposed to re-arranging prejudices? Stellar.

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I'm not groveling. I'm apologizing for being rude. Lauren and I seem to have hammered this out and it appears to have furthered the discussion despite my initial rudeness. Let's just leave it at that OK?

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