Seriously? Sure, there are some people there that I'd like to kick in the head right now, but several are really interested in talking about this.
You have to take this in the context that we haven't lived life as black people. Some of the comments are...yeah...but I really do see some as being interesting efforts and interesting discussion, right or wrong.
Did you really need to bail out on reading my LJ right before you prompted people to come over to my entry?
Why not come back to the discussion, particularly now that you're sending people into it?
Hey, you didn't feel it necessary to add context to posting material which is highly offensive... is there a reason she should have assumed she needed to deeply engage and provide context with you?
She'd been on my LJ for a while now, I just thought it was sad that she'd defriended and then made this post right afterwards.
Wait, are you jumping on kmd
's "Because he didn't post enough context (poster, cartoon, article ignored, it seems), he's a racist" bandwagon?
Do you know anything about me?
Samantha and her girlfriend experienced a little LBD! I also relate way too much to certain aspects of the show, as well as cringe at its problems.
I still kind of prefer the SNL Sex and the City sketch, though. "I have Stalingraduated from that relationship!"
are you going to see the movie? i don't have high hopes for it, but am curious, as i was a SatC addict...
Edited at 2008-05-28 03:20 pm (UTC)
I am, Friday night. It's mostly just an excuse to take a break from the campaign to have dinner and drinks with friends.
I posted one fairly inarticulate comment there and I'm out.
I haven't seen it yet because I'm trying to get my ass to work without having to punch a wall before I leave my apartment. But thank you for trying.
*I'm aware of all the various issues with the show, but I have to say--it does get some things right. A little too right.
Sometime, when you aren't fighting to save rent control and I'm not fighting to prevent telecom immunity, we will debate the merits of Sex and the City. To say that the show has issues is a bit of an understatement.
Oh, those would be their very own post: the primacy of heterosexual relationships over all else, the rampant consumerism, a make-believe Manhattan seemingly populated only by white people (and in the rare episode where people of color play a role, the episode revolves around them as "other"), a make-believe Manhattan where someone who can't afford more than a $750-a-month studio (way bigger than realistic, of course) can own $40,000 worth of shoes, etc. etc. etc.
Still, after years of ignoring the show on general principle, I was shocked to find that it had any value whatsoever.
I refer to the all-white Manhattan at "The Seinfeld Effect."
The rampant consumerism makes me twitch especially hard (who has class issues? I have class issues!) because I've encountered so many women who found Sex and the City to be aspirational. Seen in that light, the show is especially vile. 88 years after women win the right to vote, we're supposed to be skinny and white, obsessed with brands, spending all of our money on shoes, waiting to be swept up into the lasting heterosexual relationship (ideally with a big, fluffy wedding in which the bride looks like a lemon meringue) will make her life complete.
My skull is now held together with duct tape, because it exploded right around the "racism is no longer a national issue" comment.
I don't know if I even saw that. I pretty much refused to look by the time I made this post. Like, I don't need it.
Wow. I haven't read all the way through a race remediation thread in a year or two. I see things have not improved on the stupid white people front.
I'm flabbergasted at the defense of the cartoon on *art grounds.* Not surprised that people do it so much, but more that they are totally shocked when people refuse to let them pretty up something so ugly by calling it "art."
I mean, I'm deeply entwined in a "love affair" with jazz music myself and did indeed manage to notice the score over the din of explicit racism, but I'm also in love with the idea that people might stop being fucking jackholes. Why the need to contextualize, to defend, to save this little bit of archived racism as "special" and "worthy"? I mean -- we know why, but still. Gross.
Uh ... extra grumpy today.
Also, for what it's worth, a few of summers ago, housebound with an ankle issue, I watched all of Sex in the City on DVD, and I just let myself be sucked in. I know it's vile and I shouldn't have, but I did. And also though, over the last few weeks I've been thinking about how I'm going to sneak off to see the movie some matinee day soon under the cover of Orange County strip mall where I won't run in to anyone I know and so it will be my big secret. Except I think you have like 800 people on your friends list, so maybe not.
We shall have seekrit LJ discussions of the movie away from judgmental, prying eyes.
Edited at 2008-05-28 11:51 pm (UTC)
We can easily do that in my journal. Everyone there has already completely lost lesbianfeminist faith in me already. I'm both a bad lesbian and a bad feminist!
Tamara likes the show (heck, I enjoy it in small doses), but it is amazing to see how passionate some of our friends are about it (as in two
viewing parties this week & going to opening night).
On an unrelated note, I thought you might appreciate this LOLCat (not directed at you):
2008-05-28 11:05 pm (UTC)
Re: That anonymous comment was me lauren..