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In my fantasies, you don't exist. [Thursday, May. 7th, 2009|01:41 pm]
The richest girl in town.
What is wrong with these people?
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[User Picture]From: skywardprodigal
2009-05-07 08:46 pm (UTC)
You want a list?

Heartless to start.

Hateful's another.


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[User Picture]From: kynn
2009-05-07 09:02 pm (UTC)
The comment thread had a very specific OH LOIS BUJOLD NO point where I did say that phrase out loud.
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2009-05-07 11:24 pm (UTC)
I just...

*throws up hands*
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[User Picture]From: skywardprodigal
2009-05-08 02:47 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: pantryslut
2009-05-07 08:52 pm (UTC)
Oh sigh. [ETA: Yet another] Someone I expected better of.

Edited at 2009-05-07 08:53 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2009-05-07 11:23 pm (UTC)
But it's feminist literature, so that makes it all okay.
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[User Picture]From: pantryslut
2009-05-08 12:25 am (UTC)
"We were just trying to imagine a world without racism and genocide! Also, we just wanted to have fun."

Someday I am going to come out with a coherent statement along the lines of, "Look. *I* can't find scenarios like this 'fun' anymore now that my consciousness has been raised on certain issues; it's like finding boys' own stories 'fun', I just can't look at it with those blinders any more.

And if *I*, a white woman, feel this way, just imagine for a moment what all this 'fun' looks like to someone who maybe never had to *lose* those blinders in the first place.

Yeah. Like that.

Also, remember 'humorless feminists'? Now you know."

The steampunk critique link made me happy, though.
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[User Picture]From: elusis
2009-05-12 08:26 am (UTC)
"Look. *I* can't find scenarios like this 'fun' anymore now that my consciousness has been raised on certain issues; it's like finding boys' own stories 'fun', I just can't look at it with those blinders any more.

And if *I*, a white woman, feel this way, just imagine for a moment what all this 'fun' looks like to someone who maybe never had to *lose* those blinders in the first place.


I think that pretty much covers it, yeah. That's approximately the content of what I say when I get accused of being a house negro self-hating white person who toes the PC line and has forgotten my own (queerness, femaleness, whatevs) because I am calling bullshit on some (queers, women, whatevs).

Like I'm always saying to delux_vivens damn consciousness-raising ruins EVERYTHING. Except, you know, what's the alternative...
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From: delux_vivens
2009-05-17 04:36 am (UTC)
I'm hard bb.

*chews glass, spits nails, pees ice water*
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[User Picture]From: joethelionn
2009-05-07 08:53 pm (UTC)
"Aphrikan"???

Well at least "Columbia" isn't populated by magical negroes...
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[User Picture]From: kynn
2009-05-07 09:03 pm (UTC)
Actually, it is. The magical negroes teach magic to the young white heroine.

Eff is born thirteenth, supposed to be unlucky, and her twin Lan, born fourteenth, is the seventh son of a seventh son. The family dynanics, the frontier town they move to, to get away from the relatives, the way Eff studies Aphrikan magic as well as Avropan—there’s a lot about this book that’s just plain charming. Also, as I may have mentioned, it has mammoths and other megafauna, as well as the magical animals.
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[User Picture]From: baconmonkey
2009-05-07 09:48 pm (UTC)
whoa, that makes them actually magical Magical Negroes.
blackwolf the dragonmaster would be so jealous.
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[User Picture]From: jette
2009-05-08 04:16 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's part where I stopped reading the article.
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[User Picture]From: brownstargirl
2009-05-07 08:54 pm (UTC)
The land is empty of people? Really?!?!
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[User Picture]From: kynn
2009-05-07 09:01 pm (UTC)
Don't you know? North America would be a fantasyland full of wonder and magic, just waiting for white people to show up and cast spells and fight steam dragons and ride mammoths -- if not for those pesky INJUNS!
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2009-05-07 11:52 pm (UTC)
Who wants to bet that RF is gonna continue until 2010?
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2009-05-08 04:53 am (UTC)

Fixed.

203010.
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[User Picture]From: yeloson
2009-05-07 09:02 pm (UTC)
Well, you know the best way to write a fantasy where there's no racism is where all the people you can be racist against don't exist or live very far away and never show up in the stories! Just like how Friends is model tv for our post-racial society!
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[User Picture]From: yeloson
2009-05-07 09:08 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2009-05-07 11:49 pm (UTC)
That icon....
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[User Picture]From: yeloson
2009-05-07 11:52 pm (UTC)
I have so many.
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[User Picture]From: 0ntological
2009-05-07 09:44 pm (UTC)
This is gross and embarrassing and, like someone else says above, I expected better from this author. What's wrong with these people is that they are ignoring the fact that works of fiction clearly mirror society. They think they can just say whatever since they're writing fantasy, and it doesn't matter. That's bull shit. I am a strong proponent of the idea that our fantasy says as much about us as our non fiction.

Remember that thread elusis posted about racism and fantasy, which I think may be the same article which is linked to above?
I will repeat what I said there, which is "Octavia Butler and Walter Mosley, thank god for you."

Also, I have been pleasantly surprised by the series I've been reading recently , wherein the characters are described as many races, and segregation and prejudice is explicitly approached, though it is between human and non human.
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2009-05-07 11:27 pm (UTC)
I am a strong proponent of the idea that our fantasy says as much about us as our non fiction.

But, but, but--this is FANTASY. It has NOTHING TO DO with reality.

Also, it's FEMINIST, donchaknow.
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[User Picture]From: 0ntological
2009-05-07 11:39 pm (UTC)
in my fantasy world, muslim women put saddles on feminists and ride them, since they can't drive.

but that's fantasy.
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2009-05-07 11:44 pm (UTC)
BWAHAHAHAHA

You're so wrong for that.
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[User Picture]From: nihilistic_kid
2009-05-07 11:51 pm (UTC)
muslim women put saddles on feminists and ride them

GIF?
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[User Picture]From: elusis
2009-05-12 08:28 am (UTC)
Now I'm picturing you as Evil Willow Nadya. Thanks.
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[User Picture]From: sealwhiskers
2009-05-07 10:10 pm (UTC)
Ugh..first racefail09 and now this...
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2009-05-07 11:25 pm (UTC)
Well, I guess this is one way to avoid writing Native characters badly--just pretend they don't exist!
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[User Picture]From: sealwhiskers
2009-05-07 11:44 pm (UTC)
oh no, you don't get it, you see..they never left Asia, thus they still exist,just not in the actual story, which makes all the pioneer fantasy kosher again, right?
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2009-05-07 11:50 pm (UTC)
Speaking of never leaving Asia--where the hell did the railroads in this "Columbia" come from? Oh, right. Magick.
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[User Picture]From: fa_ikaika
2009-05-08 01:21 am (UTC)
No they were built by mammoths, and ground sloths and sabertooth tigers. Haven't you seen ICE AGE yet?
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2009-05-07 11:51 pm (UTC)
You know, this makes me want to write a parody so bad.
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[User Picture]From: yeloson
2009-05-07 11:53 pm (UTC)
How the Settlers invented We-sha-sha with magick!
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[User Picture]From: pantryslut
2009-05-08 12:27 am (UTC)
Please! Pretty please? With sprinkles on top?
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[User Picture]From: baconmonkey
2009-05-08 03:28 am (UTC)
The Moors travel to Spain only to find magical dinosaurs and no people...

Attila the Hun heads west through unpopulated Europe and finds a strange boot-shaped peninsula populated by magic bunnies that lay eggs...


Temüjin rides through russia, a land full of giant talking bears and learns the importance of sharing and cooperation...


Rod Sirling asks us to consider if we will, the year 1939. German forces storm into poland only to find it completely empty, all it's inhabitants having been magically teleported to some lands on east end of the mediterranean sea that are inhabited only by peaceful non-speaking clay creatures with pieces of paper in their mouths...


3 strange giant boats are spotted off the coast of Guanahani. Eventually some of the Lucayan people row out to investigate and find them provisioned, but lacking any crew. After months of study, they are able to understand the strange object on board and figure out where the boats came from. The decide to use the boats and the strange object to visit the faraway lands from whence the boats came. They find giant cities all built just for them, and gentle talking bulls who explain the magical powers that wiped out the evil people who built the boats and cities.


English ships returning from Australia in the 1700s bring back a disease that spreads symptomatically for 28 years before turning lethal and wiping out 95% of Europe...



The pilgrims land on plymoth rock and their invasionary efforts are promptly cut short when two locals leap into the air and form Mecha-Squanto (Mecha-Squanto, Mecha-Squanto).
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[User Picture]From: fa_ikaika
2009-05-08 07:19 am (UTC)
LOL
brilliant
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[User Picture]From: sparkymonster
2009-05-08 02:04 pm (UTC)
Temüjin rides through russia, a land full of giant talking bears and learns the importance of sharing and cooperation...

YES PLEASE OMFG OMFG OMFG

Also Mecha-Squanto IS SO WRONG IT IS RIGHT
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[User Picture]From: srallen
2009-05-08 02:17 pm (UTC)
Actually, Howard Waldrop wrote a short story called "The Lions Are Asleep This Night" that posited an empty North America. In it, Europeans discover America to be empty (with Pleistocene megafauna) and start bringing in Africans as slaves.

Problem is that they're so very dependent on slave labor that it actually breaks Europe. Revolts become big, bigger, biggest until finally there are a bunch of African kingdoms feeling sorry for the bumbling drunk whites stumbling through their cities.
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From: delux_vivens
2009-05-17 04:34 am (UTC)
when two locals leap into the air and form Mecha-Squanto

*falls the hell out*
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[User Picture]From: elusis
2009-05-12 08:49 am (UTC)
You know, bluejo aka papersky is the partner of the very person whom I mentioned in this comment about a kind of self-centered, privileged derailing. I don't know her except tangentially, but it surprises me not at all that she might run in circles in which one would write "oh, the premise is that Europeans show up in North America and it's empty of people, which is so CHARMING!" and it would be completely unremarkable.

I've read a book or two of hers. I have a few more on the pile. I hope they don't join E. Bear's and S. Monette's on the "never mind; I'll just take them to Goodwill" pile.
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