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Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. [Wednesday, Mar. 12th, 2008|08:31 pm]
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"In respect to political rights, we hold woman to be justly entitled to all we claim for men. We go further, and express our conviction that all political rights which it is expedient for men to exercise, it is equally so for woman. All that distinguishes man as an intelligent and accountable being, is equally true of woman, and if that government only is just which governs by the free consent of the governed, there can be no reason in the world for denying to woman the exercise of the elective franchise, or a hand in making and administering the law of the land."

- Frederick Douglass, in an article titled "The Rights of Women" published in his abolitionist newspaper North Star, published July 1848


"Although this may remain a question for politicians to wrangle over for five or ten years, the black man is still, in a political point of view, far above the educated white women of the country. The representative women of the nation have done their uttermost for the last thirty years to secure freedom for the negro; and as long as he was lowest in the scale of being, we were willing to press for his claims; but now, as the celestial gate to civil rights is slowly moving on its hinges, it becomes a serious question whether we had better stand aside and see "Sambo" walk into the kingdom first. As self-preservation is the first law of nature, would it not be wiser to keep our lamps trimmed and burning, and when the constitutional door is open, avail ourselves of the strong arm and blue uniform of the black soldier to walk in by his side, and thus make the gap so wide that no privileged class could ever gain close it against the humblest citizen of the republic?"

- Elizabeth Cady Stanton, abolitionist and suffragist, in a letter to the editor of the New York Standard, December, 1865


"With the black man, we have no new element in government, but with the education and elevation of women, we have a power that is to develop the Saxon race into a higher and nobler life and thus, by the law of attraction, to lift all races to a more even platform than can ever be reached in the political isolation of the sexes."

- Elizabeth Cady Stanton speaking at the first annual meeting of the Equal Rights Association, May 1867


"When women, because they are women, are dragged from their homes and hung upon lamp-posts; when their children are torn from their arms and their brains dashed upon the pavement; when they are objects of insult and outrage at every turn; when they are in danger of having their homes burnt down over their heads; when their children are not allowed to enter schools; then they will have [the same] urgency to obtain the ballot."

- Frederick Douglass speaking at the Equal Rights Association convention in 1869
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[User Picture]From: joethelionn
2008-03-13 08:24 am (UTC)
Huh?

What are you trying to say here?

If it is that white women at the turn of the century (who had been in chattel slavery by any conservative interpretation) weren't all that hip to the black man's struggle, okay.

AND?

I don't see what you are saying here. Other than ECS was a racist and Frederic Douglass wasn't a sexist. Neither of which should come as a surprise to anyone with a hairbreadth of Feminist and African-american theory.

If you are trying to apply ANY of these quotes to the current political struggle: Cheap, Cheap shot. And ineffectual.
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2008-03-13 08:58 am (UTC)

"Bow to the woman."

Um, dude. First of all, you need to slow your fucking roll up in here.

There's nothing cheap at all about quoting one of the leaders of the proto-feminist movement who, when it looked like black men might vote before white women, in the midst of the terrorism against black people that followed the Civil War, decided to draw a line in the sand--despite the fact that Douglass was her co-vice-president of the Equal Rights Association and continued to support women's suffrage.

Stanton and the MAJORITY of the suffrage movement opposed the passage of the 15th Amendment on the same grounds that underlie the various editorials and statements that have come from no less than Gloria Steinem, Robin Morgan, Erica Jong, Roseanne Barr, and most recently Geraldine Ferraro: a fundamental sense of entitlement on the part of white women to walk through that "celestial gate" and into the White House before "Sambo."

If you DON'T see that, you're clearly not as up on your history as you think you are, much less watching the way the Clinton campaign is playing the game at this very moment.
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[User Picture]From: skywardprodigal
2008-03-13 12:45 pm (UTC)

Re: "Bow to the woman."

I'm with you on this one.

I'd been making an effort NOT to go rereading Stanton's screeds on Sambo and the low Africans and what white women-deserved because I was trying not to think that even before white American first-wavers were in the house, white American women weren't looking for equality for all but equality with white men.

But I'm glad you did find it, because it's still worth thinking about and I found it cogent and relevant.

Otherwise known as, Go Big Red.
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[User Picture]From: joethelionn
2008-03-13 01:21 pm (UTC)

Re: "Bow to the woman."

I stand corrected. I was aware of Ferraro and Jong's shithead statement but the rest of your quotes up there are pretty chilling. Being pale and penised I was just baffled by the quotes of a suffragist as having validity-I lacked the requisite context, see?

Sorry to come off as a prick.


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[User Picture]From: joethelionn
2008-03-13 01:22 pm (UTC)

Re: "Bow to the woman."

"Being pale and penised I was just baffled by the quotes of a suffragist as having validity"

in terms of the campaign that is.
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2008-03-13 08:01 pm (UTC)

Re: "Bow to the woman."

Your lack of context has little to do with your race or gender.
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[User Picture]From: joethelionn
2008-03-14 06:52 am (UTC)

Re: "Bow to the woman."

True enough. It was just plain ignorance. And me letting my ass do my talking for me. Once again, I apologize profoundly.
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[User Picture]From: fightingwords
2008-03-14 06:57 am (UTC)

Re: "Bow to the woman."

No worries. We're cool.
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[User Picture]From: joethelionn
2008-03-14 07:02 am (UTC)

Re: "Bow to the woman."

Solid. Thanks Lauren.
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[User Picture]From: skywardprodigal
2008-03-13 12:43 pm (UTC)
*killfiles*
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[User Picture]From: joethelionn
2008-03-13 01:21 pm (UTC)
Please don't shoot.
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[User Picture]From: skywardprodigal
2008-03-15 12:27 pm (UTC)
Groveling doesn't become anyone, dude. Thinking as opposed to re-arranging prejudices? Stellar.
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[User Picture]From: joethelionn
2008-03-15 06:18 pm (UTC)
I'm not groveling. I'm apologizing for being rude. Lauren and I seem to have hammered this out and it appears to have furthered the discussion despite my initial rudeness. Let's just leave it at that OK?
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